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Apple配备 M4 Max 的 MacBook Pro 16 是最适合视频剪辑的笔记本电脑

Apple MacBook Pro 16(图片来源:Notebookcheck)
Apple MacBook Pro 16(图片来源:Notebookcheck)
新的 M4 Max SoC 在所有方面的性能都提高了 20-30%,进一步扩大了与其他同类笔记本电脑的领先优势。除了令人印象深刻的单核性能外,M4 Max 还是多核测试中速度最快的芯片之一,在视频处理方面甚至超过了GeForce RTX 4090 笔记本电脑。
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我们刚刚评测了 配备全新 M4 Max SoC 的最新 MacBook Pro 16.尽管存在价格昂贵(尤其是升级)、CPU/GPU 同时负载时性能有限以及缺乏维护选项等批评意见,但全新 M4 Max 仍是一款令人印象深刻的处理器。首先是处理器的原始性能:除了极高的单核性能(我们也从目前这一代 M4 的所有其他芯片中了解到了这一点),M4 Max 还将多核性能的标准提高了不少。它共有 16 个内核(12 倍性能 + 4 倍效率),是有史以来速度最快的移动处理器之一。在我们的 Cinebench 2024 基准测试中,新款 M4 Max 仅被另一款移动处理器--超频水冷式 英特尔酷睿 i9-14900HXXMG Neo 16尽管 M4 Max 的功耗大大降低。在这里,你必须换用当前的台式机 CPU,如英特尔酷睿 Ultra 9 285K 或 AMD 的 Ryzen 9950X,才能获得更高的多核性能(但不是单核性能)。然而,Ryzen 9 9900X 却落后于 M4 Max。

 

 

Cinebench 2024 / CPU Multi Core
Intel Core Ultra 9 285K
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ultra 9 285K, WDC PC SN540 SDDPNPF-512G
2436 Points +18%
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ryzen 9 9950X
2254 Points +9%
SCHENKER XMG Neo 16 (Early 24)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX (v6.92.6600, Overboost, Oasis)
2071 Points 0%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z (High Performance)
2069 Points
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
2015 Points -3%
AMD Ryzen 9 9900X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ryzen 9 9900X
1818 Points -12%
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
1772 Points -14%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
1729 Points -16%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2023 M3 Max
M3 Max 40-Core GPU, Apple M3 Max 16-Core, Apple SSD AP8192Z
1612 Points -22%
SCHENKER XMG Pro 16 Studio (Mid 24)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX, Samsung 990 Pro 1 TB
1393 Points -33%
Asus ProArt P16 H7606WI
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ryzen AI 9 HX 370, Micron 2400 MTFDKBA1T0QFM
1201 Points -42%
Dell XPS 16 9640
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ultra 7 155H, Kioxia XG8 KXG80ZNV1T02
1001 Points -52%
Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen 7 21KV001SGE
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU, Ultra 7 155H, Kioxia XG8 KXG8AZNV1T02
999 Points -52%
Cinebench 2024 / CPU Single Core
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
178 Points 0%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
178 Points
Intel Core Ultra 9 285K
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ultra 9 285K, WDC PC SN540 SDDPNPF-512G
144 Points -19%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2023 M3 Max
M3 Max 40-Core GPU, Apple M3 Max 16-Core, Apple SSD AP8192Z
139 Points -22%
AMD Ryzen 9 9900X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ryzen 9 9900X
138 Points -22%
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ryzen 9 9950X
136 Points -24%
SCHENKER XMG Neo 16 (Early 24)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX (v6.92.6600, Overboost, Oasis)
122.6 Points -31%
SCHENKER XMG Pro 16 Studio (Mid 24)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX, Samsung 990 Pro 1 TB
118.8 Points -33%
Asus ProArt P16 H7606WI
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ryzen AI 9 HX 370, Micron 2400 MTFDKBA1T0QFM
116 Points -35%
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
115 Points -35%
Dell XPS 16 9640
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ultra 7 155H, Kioxia XG8 KXG80ZNV1T02
104 Points -42%
Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen 7 21KV001SGE
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU, Ultra 7 155H, Kioxia XG8 KXG8AZNV1T02
101.6 Points -43%
Geekbench 6.3 / Multi-Core
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
25760 Points
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
22509 Points -13%
Intel Core Ultra 9 285K
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ultra 9 285K, WDC PC SN540 SDDPNPF-512G (6.2.1)
21688 Points -16%
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ryzen 9 9950X (6.2.1)
21383 Points -17%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2023 M3 Max
M3 Max 40-Core GPU, Apple M3 Max 16-Core, Apple SSD AP8192Z
21243 Points -18%
AMD Ryzen 9 9900X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ryzen 9 9900X (6.2.1)
20380 Points -21%
SCHENKER XMG Neo 16 (Early 24)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX (6.2.1, Overboost, Oasis)
19665 Points -24%
SCHENKER XMG Pro 16 Studio (Mid 24)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX, Samsung 990 Pro 1 TB (6.2.1)
17086 Points -34%
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
16957 Points -34%
Asus ProArt P16 H7606WI
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ryzen AI 9 HX 370, Micron 2400 MTFDKBA1T0QFM (6.2.1)
15367 Points -40%
Lenovo Yoga Pro 9 16IMH9
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ultra 9 185H, SK Hynix HFS001TEJ9X115N (6.2.1)
14031 Points -46%
Dell XPS 16 9640
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ultra 7 155H, Kioxia XG8 KXG80ZNV1T02 (6.2.1)
13656 Points -47%
Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen 7 21KV001SGE
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU, Ultra 7 155H, Kioxia XG8 KXG8AZNV1T02 (6.2.1)
12952 Points -50%
Geekbench 6.3 / Single-Core
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
3880 Points
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
3836 Points -1%
AMD Ryzen 9 9900X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ryzen 9 9900X (6.2.1)
3429 Points -12%
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ryzen 9 9950X (6.2.1)
3408 Points -12%
Intel Core Ultra 9 285K
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ultra 9 285K, WDC PC SN540 SDDPNPF-512G (6.2.1)
3306 Points -15%
SCHENKER XMG Neo 16 (Early 24)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX (6.2.1, Overboost, Oasis)
3109 Points -20%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2023 M3 Max
M3 Max 40-Core GPU, Apple M3 Max 16-Core, Apple SSD AP8192Z
3096 Points -20%
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
2916 Points -25%
Asus ProArt P16 H7606WI
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ryzen AI 9 HX 370, Micron 2400 MTFDKBA1T0QFM (6.2.1)
2877 Points -26%
SCHENKER XMG Pro 16 Studio (Mid 24)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX, Samsung 990 Pro 1 TB (6.2.1)
2764 Points -29%
Lenovo Yoga Pro 9 16IMH9
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ultra 9 185H, SK Hynix HFS001TEJ9X115N (6.2.1)
2570 Points -34%
Dell XPS 16 9640
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ultra 7 155H, Kioxia XG8 KXG80ZNV1T02 (6.2.1)
2418 Points -38%
Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen 7 21KV001SGE
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU, Ultra 7 155H, Kioxia XG8 KXG8AZNV1T02 (6.2.1)
2389 Points -38%
Blender / v3.3 Classroom CPU
Dell XPS 16 9640
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ultra 7 155H, Kioxia XG8 KXG80ZNV1T02 (3.3.3)
306 Seconds * -83%
Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen 7 21KV001SGE
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU, Ultra 7 155H, Kioxia XG8 KXG8AZNV1T02 (3.3.3)
297 Seconds * -78%
Lenovo Yoga Pro 9 16IMH9
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ultra 9 185H, SK Hynix HFS001TEJ9X115N (3.3.3)
285 Seconds * -71%
SCHENKER XMG Pro 16 Studio (Mid 24)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX, Samsung 990 Pro 1 TB (3.3.3)
233 Seconds * -40%
Asus ProArt P16 H7606WI
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ryzen AI 9 HX 370, Micron 2400 MTFDKBA1T0QFM (3.3.3)
214 Seconds * -28%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2023 M3 Max
M3 Max 40-Core GPU, Apple M3 Max 16-Core, Apple SSD AP8192Z
194 Seconds * -16%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
167 Seconds *
SCHENKER XMG Neo 16 (Early 24)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX (3.3.3, Overboost, Oasis)
155 Seconds * +7%
AMD Ryzen 9 9900X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ryzen 9 9900X (3.3.3)
151 Seconds * +10%
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N (3.3.3)
150 Seconds * +10%
Intel Core Ultra 9 285K
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ultra 9 285K, WDC PC SN540 SDDPNPF-512G (3.3.3)
123 Seconds * +26%
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, Ryzen 9 9950X (3.3.3)
118 Seconds * +29%

* ... smaller is better

就图形处理器的原始性能而言,拥有 40 个内核的新款 M4 Max 图形处理器稍弱,但与旧款 M3 Max 图形处理器相比,速度仍有明显提升。此外,MacBook 还具有共享内存的优势,因为 GPU 也能访问内存。即使是 RTX 4090 笔记本电脑的显存也被限制在 16 GB,在大型项目中最终会达到极限,从而影响性能。

除了原始 GPU 基准测试(跨平台测试的数量仍然有限),我们还在 MacBook 和其他一些 Windows 测试设备上运行了针对 Adobe Photoshop、Premiere Pro 和 DaVinci Resolve 等创意程序的 PugetBench 基准测试,因为针对 macOS 和Apple 自家处理器的原生基准测试版本也已经推出了一段时间。

处理器性能在 Adobe 测试和 Photoshop 中也发挥了作用,M4 Max 在这些测试中明显领先于 Scar 17。

疤痕 17Ryzen 9 7945HX3D和 NvidiaGeForce RTX 4090 笔记本电脑。在 Premiere Pro 中,两者的差距很小,Scar 17 在四项子测试中的两项中领先,但 MacBook 在总成绩中占优。我们的编辑团队也使用 DaVinci Resolve 对 YouTube 评论进行视频编辑,它对 GPU 性能的依赖程度更高。虽然就纯粹性能而言,M4 Max GPU 明显落后于 RTX 4090 笔记本电脑,但新的 M4 Max SoC 比 Razer Blade 16 领先 12%。 雷蛇刀锋 16及其酷睿 i9-14900HX 和 RTX 4090 笔记本电脑领先 12%。


Photoshop PugetBench
Overall Score 1.01
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
13859 Points
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
12494 Points -10%
Apple MacBook Pro 14 2024 M4
M4 10-Core GPU, M4 (10 cores), Apple SSD AP0512Z
10502 Points -24%
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
9128 Points -34%
Tuxedo Gemini 17 Gen3 AMD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX, Samsung SSD 990 EVO 2TB
8197 Points -41%
General Score
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
121 Points
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
115 Points -5%
Apple MacBook Pro 14 2024 M4
M4 10-Core GPU, M4 (10 cores), Apple SSD AP0512Z
103 Points -15%
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
87.7 Points -28%
Tuxedo Gemini 17 Gen3 AMD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX, Samsung SSD 990 EVO 2TB
85.3 Points -30%
Filter Score 1.01
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
159 Points
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
135 Points -15%
Apple MacBook Pro 14 2024 M4
M4 10-Core GPU, M4 (10 cores), Apple SSD AP0512Z
107 Points -33%
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
95 Points -40%
Tuxedo Gemini 17 Gen3 AMD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX, Samsung SSD 990 EVO 2TB
78.8 Points -50%
Premiere Pro PugetBench
Overall Score 1.1
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
12412 Points
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
12157 Points -2%
Tuxedo Gemini 17 Gen3 AMD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX, Samsung SSD 990 EVO 2TB
9303 Points -25%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
8835 Points -29%
Apple MacBook Pro 14 2024 M4
M4 10-Core GPU, M4 (10 cores), Apple SSD AP0512Z
4903 Points -60%
LongGOP 1.1
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
113 Points
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
97.9 Points -13%
Tuxedo Gemini 17 Gen3 AMD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX, Samsung SSD 990 EVO 2TB
90.2 Points -20%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
86.9 Points -23%
Apple MacBook Pro 14 2024 M4
M4 10-Core GPU, M4 (10 cores), Apple SSD AP0512Z
52.3 Points -54%
Intraframe 1.1
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
198 Points
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
141 Points -29%
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
110 Points -44%
Tuxedo Gemini 17 Gen3 AMD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX, Samsung SSD 990 EVO 2TB
103 Points -48%
Apple MacBook Pro 14 2024 M4
M4 10-Core GPU, M4 (10 cores), Apple SSD AP0512Z
67.5 Points -66%
RAW 1.1
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
217 Points +52%
Tuxedo Gemini 17 Gen3 AMD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX, Samsung SSD 990 EVO 2TB
181 Points +27%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
143 Points
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
125 Points -13%
Apple MacBook Pro 14 2024 M4
M4 10-Core GPU, M4 (10 cores), Apple SSD AP0512Z
93.2 Points -35%
GPU Effects 1.1
Asus ROG Strix Scar 17 G733PYV-LL053X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX3D, SK hynix PC801 HFS001TEJ9X101N
93.4 Points +26%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
74.4 Points
Tuxedo Gemini 17 Gen3 AMD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, R9 7945HX, Samsung SSD 990 EVO 2TB
44.8 Points -40%
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2024 M4 Pro
M4 Pro 20-Core GPU, M4 Pro (14 cores), Apple SSD AP2048Z
39.7 Points -47%
Apple MacBook Pro 14 2024 M4
M4 10-Core GPU, M4 (10 cores), Apple SSD AP0512Z
17.6 Points -76%
DaVinci Resolve PugetBench - Extended Score 1.1
Apple MacBook Pro 16 M4 Max
M4 Max 40-Core GPU, M4 Max (16 cores), Apple SSD AP1024Z
8747 Points
Razer Blade 16 2024, RTX 4090
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, i9-14900HX, Samsung PM9A1 MZVL22T0HBLB
7802 Points -11%
Asus ROG Zephyrus G16 GA605WI
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ryzen AI 9 HX 370
5804 Points -34%
Lenovo Yoga Pro 9 16IMH9
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU, Ultra 9 185H, SK Hynix HFS001TEJ9X115N
5688 Points -35%

几周后,随着 Nvidia 推出新一代 RTX 5000,这一趋势可能会再次扭转。AMD Strix Halo 也将成为另一个可以访问所有内存的竞争对手。但从目前的情况来看,M4 Max SoC 是希望随时随地编辑视频的用户的最佳选择。此外,它还拥有极高的效率、最好的笔记本电脑屏幕之一、高品质的音响系统和众多端口。M4 Max 机型还可选配高达 128 GB 的内存和 8 TB 的固态硬盘存储空间。额外的成本可能会让你热泪盈眶,但至少这些选项是可用的。

总之,MacBook Pro 16 是 2024 年底市场上最好的多媒体笔记本之一。M4 Max 的性能是巨大的,尽管大多数用户也会对价格便宜得多的 M4 Pro 完全满意。有关 MacBook Pro 16 两款处理器的所有详细信息(包括大量基准测试和测量值),请参阅我们的详细测试报告:

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